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Conseils à un débutant piano
« on: Jun 27th, 2018, 3:24pm » |
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Comme j'ai trouvé un clavier Yamaha dans la poubelle je ne voudrais pas prendre de trop mauvaises habitudes pour le caresser du bout des doigts.
Visiblement ce n'est pas un doigt/une note... Y a-t-il des règles élémentaires à respecter ?
Harmony peut-il donner une indication du doigté ?
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Re: Conseils à un débutant piano
« Reply #1 on: Jun 27th, 2018, 5:16pm » |
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Pour les règles, je laisse la parole aux spécialistes. C'est une histoire de tact doigté 
Par contre je ne pense pas que HA ait de fonction pour calculer le (meilleur) doigté sur un clavier. En fait, ça dépend de tellement de paramètres (nombre de voix, par exemple, passage d'une portée à l'autre avec la même main, etc.) que c'est parfois un vrai casse-tête.
Tout ce dont je me souviens, c'est que quand j'ai débuté le piano, au siècle dernier, il y avait la fameuse petite Méthode Rose, bien pratique pour comprendre comment ça marche, en gros. Et surtout le redouté Déliateur pour acquérir un peu de vitesse.
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Re: Conseils à un débutant piano
« Reply #2 on: Jun 27th, 2018, 6:15pm » |
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Ma question se rapprochait plutôt de la frappe au clavier d'ordinateur. Avec le bon doigté on gagne en rapidité. Hélas on n'apprend pas à écrire à l'école, et 2 pouces suffisent pour les smartmachins, qui te mettent automatiquement un mot à la place de celui que tu voulais mettre.
Non, je voulais juste quelques conseils pour ne pas attraper trop vite la crampe du pianiste aux doigts écartelés.
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Re: Conseils à un débutant piano
« Reply #4 on: Jun 28th, 2018, 8:23am » |
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Merci pour ces liens, j'en ai pour un moment !
Quand je jouerai Bach les yeux fermés je reviendrai pour d'autres conseils 
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Re: Conseils à un débutant piano
« Reply #5 on: Jun 28th, 2018, 11:43pm » |
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Lagaffe,
According to one of my organ teachers, any fingering that lets one play the music is fine. This is because there is no strength required to strike an organ key--in fact, the keys are pressed, rather than struck.
Par contre, piano keys must be struck with a certain amount of force, even to play them quietly, which is why fingering is important. There is, of course, no correspondence between a given key and a particular finger, but there are some principles to observe:
1. The fingers are numbered as follows: thumb = 1; index finger = 2; middle finger = 3; ring finger = 4, little finger = 5.
2. There is a standard fingering for each scale and any passage of notes in diatonic succession should ideally use the fingering for that scale. Any good music store should have a book of all the scales (the major and the three types of minor in every key, and all of them both ascending and descending) with their fingerings. When practicing ascending scales with the right hand and descending scales with the left, the thumb should be tucked under the hand as soon as possible, so it is in position to strike its next note. If you practice this diligently when playing scales slowly, it will serve you well in rapid passages. When practicing scales in the opposite directions, the trick is to get finger number 4 over as soon as the thumb plays its note. This needs a great deal of practice to perform rapidly.
3. Rapidly repeated notes should be struck by different fingers in succession, working from the outside of the hand towards the index finger; i.e., use 5, 4, 3, 2, or as many of them as required, and repeating if necessary. (Rapidly repeated chords are a whole different matter.)
4. Much printed music is marked with suggested fingerings, not all of which are useful (sometimes not even the composer's suggestions are really good). But they are a good place to begin. Once you work out a fingering that suits your hand, practice it until it becomes automatic.
5. Ideally, all fingers should be strong enough to play with equal force. This requires a great deal of practice, and there are exercise books for this purpose.
As far as rehearsal practice is concerned:
When practicing scales and meslimatic passages (as in a Bach invention, for example), once you have the fingering worked out, there is a useful technique, called "triple-stroking." While holding down the first note with the correct finger, play the second note three times. On the third stroke, keep holding the second note, release the first note, and strike the third note three times, and so on. The idea is to always be holding down one note (only) while striking the next note. This promotes strength, agility, and independence of the fingers (see no. 5) while burning the sequence of notes into muscle memory.
One of my piano teachers taught that one mistake requires fifty correct repetitions to overcome. She required me to practice as slowly as necessary to play a passage perfectly each time. She would allow me to increase the speed only afater I became able to play the passage perfectly three times in succession. This is far more difficult than it may sound.
I hope this information proves useful to you, my friend, though it is probably much more than you ever wanted to know . . . .
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Re: Conseils à un débutant piano
« Reply #6 on: Jun 29th, 2018, 7:42am » |
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though it is probably much more than you ever wanted to know . . . .
Thank you,
Ah, if I was only 16 or even less ! But it seems I have less time to go than time gone. (correct English ?)
With about 4 hours a week it seems a bit short to apply everything.
Piano is just there to give me the correct melody for song. Anyway Olympia is for another life....
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Re: Conseils à un débutant piano
« Reply #7 on: Jul 3rd, 2018, 12:30am » |
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on Jun 29th, 2018, 7:42am, Lagaffe wrote:| . . . But it seems I have less time to go than time gone. (correct English ?) . . . |
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Your meaning is perfectly clear, and I hesitate to correct your English when it is already so good, but perhaps "less time to go than time already passed" might be a tad more idiomatic. "Time past" would be fine, too; "passed," however, emphasizes the action of passing.
I forgot to add that you might have fun working with a piano teacher, even if you only want to play for your own satisfaction.
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Re: Conseils à un débutant piano
« Reply #8 on: Jul 3rd, 2018, 8:09am » |
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I forgot to add that you might have fun working with a piano teacher
In fact I do not play piano, all this is for my wife. She started a week ago, reading your answers.
I will certainly have fun with a piano teacher, but I am not sure my wife will appreciate !
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