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Re: Page 2 should also be 5 groups   33_River_Flows_In_You2.myr
« on: Nov 21st, 2018, 12:53pm »
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Supongo que se trata de alguna importación.
Yo lo que suelo hacer es desactivar la maquetación de origen. Anular todos los fines de línea y página. Luego la maqueto a mi gusto. Partitura: "Modo Grabado" para el espaciado y en Pentagramas, generalmente le doy un tamaño estandard (72) y el mismo (72) en las Opciones de impresión. Luego, ya todo pasa por jugar con los fines de línea.
Le reenvío su archivo que preparé unos pocos minutos. (Falta por poner algún arpegio y ajustar algunas cositas. También ajusté los márgenes manualmente.) En el apartado de maquetación, H.A. es un programa que permite mucho juego.
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Re: Page 2 should also be 5 groups   33_River_Flows_In_You01.myr
« Reply #1 on: Nov 21st, 2018, 1:06pm »
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I've taken a quick look at the score.
First, I set the paper size to A4, set the margins to 1cm and asked the system to justify the groups on the page.
Then I got rid of some little things :  
- the name of the composer which was both in the general field and inside a free text object. I erased the free object.
- near the end, there were arpeggio effects in double or triple occurrences for the same notes. I erased the useless ones.
- there were several new page marks here and there which caused the score to be displayed on more than three page.
I also enlarged the staff area of the very first group so as to display the tempo mark in a better location and relocated some of the pause symbols.
Now, I think the thing looks better. Hint : at the top of page 3, there is a cautionary display of the time change in bar #20. If you feel it is not really necessary, you can gain a little room in the first line : right click on the clef in bar #20 and uncheck the "cautionary display..." line in the popup menu.
I attach the file (I added "01" at the end of the filename or else the system wouldn't take it)
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Re: Page 2 should also be 5 groups  
« Reply #2 on: Nov 22nd, 2018, 7:21am »
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o lo que suelo hacer es desactivar la maquetación de origen. Anular todos los fines de línea y página
 
How can I do this?
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« Reply #3 on: Nov 22nd, 2018, 7:32am »
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Many many thanks for the help.
 
>there were several new page marks here and there which >caused the score to be displayed on more than three page
 
How can you make the visible?
How can I delete them?
 
Thank you for your great help
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« Reply #4 on: Nov 22nd, 2018, 7:51am »
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They are visible in the ruler above the first staff.  
To hide/show the ruler in page mode : Ctrl+T.  
To delete them, right click on the ruler : in the popup menu that will appear, uncheck the corresponding line.
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Re: Page 2 should also be 5 groups  
« Reply #5 on: Nov 22nd, 2018, 9:22am »
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on Nov 21st, 2018, 12:26pm, musikus wrote:

Unfortunately that does not work:
Force number of Groups per page ...
 

 
This script, and the companion "force number of bars per line", are very elementary. They work through forcing "end-of-line" and "end-of-page" marks as hard-coded settings.  
 
And apparently this is is not reset by a second call to the same fucntion.  
 
If you remove the "end of page" marks on bars 28 and 41, you'll have what you want (the one at end of measure 16 does not hurt if you don't add measures).  
 
While HA can do much (everything and even more), the weakness for simple lay-out functions in a big inhibitor for an "edit for print" activity.  
 
 
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« Reply #6 on: Nov 22nd, 2018, 10:10am »
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Many thanks all.
 
You are great
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« Reply #7 on: Nov 23rd, 2018, 11:40am »
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on Nov 22nd, 2018, 9:22am, Andre_B wrote:

 
While HA can do much (everything and even more), the weakness for simple lay-out functions in a big inhibitor for an "edit for print" activity.  

I must however be honest and mention a script (by Danièl Frouvelle) "Page Setup" ("Mise en page") in the "Notation" folder, which many people seem to find efficient.  
 
 
But I couldn't get to understand it yet.
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« Reply #8 on: Nov 23rd, 2018, 1:31pm »
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on Nov 22nd, 2018, 9:22am, Andre_B wrote:
While HA can do much (everything and even more), the weakness for simple lay-out functions in a big inhibitor for an "edit for print" activity.  

Pues vea que yo ahí, no estoy de acuerdo con usted. Yo considero a H.A. un programa muy capaz y versátil para ajustar cualquier tipo de maquetación. Y bastante fácil (si se sabe).. ;D
Yo utilizo mas de un programa (famosos) y no me parece a mi que sean tan flexibles intuitivos y rápidos como H.A. en esa tarea precisamente. H.A. falla lamentablemente en otras áreas, pero en esa, no lo creo. ;) ;)
Y como regalo, está el Script de Daniel F. que es fantástico.  
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« Reply #9 on: Nov 23rd, 2018, 8:12pm »
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on Nov 23rd, 2018, 1:31pm, Oliveira wrote:

Well [...] I do not agree with you. I consider H.A. a very capable and versatile program to adjust any type of layout. And quite easy (if you know)
I use more than one program (famous) and it does not seem to me that they are as flexible, intuitive and fast as H.A., in this task precisely. HA fails lamentably in other areas, but in this one I don't think so.
And as a gift, there is the Daniel F. Script that is fantastic.

 
 
Pepe, I don't want to contradict your experience and feeling, but efficiency is something quite personal, and mine are different. Perhaps that's only a matter of learning curve, perhaps I was alreadY too old to climb a new one with HA, having started earlier with another software which had a completely different approach to layout (number of measures per staff and systems per page being the "root layout figures").  
 
Now, I take HA for what it gives me, mainly Virtual Singer and Myrweb (for which I gained experience in scripts and a "one system per page" layout) and this is rewarding.  
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« Reply #10 on: Nov 24th, 2018, 12:28am »
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Pepe, I don't want to contradict your experience and feeling

¡Oh!. No se preocupe usted. El mejor programa es el que se adapta a tus necesidades. Y sí, es cierto, que cuando uno aprendió ciertos mecanismos de un programa, cambiar es complejo. Yo llevo 14 años con H.A. Pero también llevo varios años, 8 con Sibelius y 12  
 con Overture.. Al principio empecé con Finale 2 años, pero lo dejé por H.A. Y sé de que pié cojean. A Harmony le falta pulimento y arreglar algunas cosas básicas que son un desastre. Pero en conjunto es una obra maravillosa de programa y todo su entorno de utilidades satélite que tiene: Caso de Kooplet, Myrweb,(Musl) Pdf to Music, Melody Player etc. lo hacen muy singular. Un abanico impresionante de importación y exportación. Los Scripts... En fin, es una pena que no esté un poco mas refinado y pulido. Podría ser el número uno. Estoy muy seguro.
Un cordial saludo compañero.
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« Reply #11 on: Nov 24th, 2018, 4:47pm »
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I notice that measures 29 and 41 have the "End of page after this bar" option checked.  If you uncheck them (you can do it individually, or use the command "Score > Page mode setup > Force number of groups per page" and set it to 0), HA rearranges the score into three pages with five systems each.
 
In general, I tend not to worry about the layout until just before printing, because every edit affects these things.  I sometimes find it useful to use "Force number of bars per line," but in the kinds of scores I produce, "Force number of groups per page" just isn't that useful for my purposes.  I prefer to go through the score page by page and adjust each one individually.
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« Reply #12 on: Nov 26th, 2018, 2:31pm »
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on Nov 24th, 2018, 12:28am, Oliveira wrote:

¡Oh!. No se preocupe usted. El mejor programa es el que se adapta a tus necesidades. Y sí, es cierto, que cuando uno aprendió ciertos mecanismos de un programa, cambiar es complejo.  
(...)
En fin, es una pena que no esté un poco mas refinado y pulido. Podría ser el número uno. Estoy muy seguro.
Un cordial saludo compañero.

 
 
Indeed, Pepe. I fully agree.  
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« Reply #13 on: Nov 27th, 2018, 12:15pm »
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Thanks again for the help
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