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Liaison Harmony Assistant Garritan PO
« on: Aug 23rd, 2018, 6:50pm » |
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Bonjour,
Je ne suis pas sûr d'être sur le bon forum mais s'agissant de sons...
J'avais installé le Garritan Aria Player il y a pas mal d'années ainsi que l'assistant rédigé par Muffit et je viens de les réinstaller après une réinitialisation du PC, mais je n'arrive plus à configurer ensemble HA et GPO. Plus précisément Muffit indique d'aller dans la configuration matérielle de HA et de choisir une des instances de jeu du "studio" Garritan (est-ce le nom ancien du Garritan Aria Player) pour chacune des sorties MIDI. Mais lorsque j'accède à la fenêtre d'affectation des sorties MIDI dans HA j'obtiens une liste de bases de sons mais celle de Garritan n'apparaît pas. Il y a probablement quelque chose que j'oublie de faire, mais quoi ?
Merci de bien vouloir me remettre sur les rails !
Cordialement
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Re: Liaison Harmony Assistant Garritan PO
« Reply #1 on: Aug 23rd, 2018, 7:16pm » |
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A tout hasard, depuis la version avec Myriad HQ et Vsti, est-ce que les bases ne seraient pas redirigées vers ces modules ?
Pourtant, il me semble bien que Garritan fonctionne directement via le MIDI.
D'autre part, peut-être que la base Garritan est à un emplacement inconnu de HA...
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Re: Liaison Harmony Assistant Garritan PO
« Reply #2 on: Aug 23rd, 2018, 11:35pm » |
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If I remember correctly you had to have a "midi cable" ( a software cable) installed to connect between HA and the Garritan software.
On my old win 98 computer it could be done with the software "Maple midi cable" . The 'Maple' input appeared in the midi list of HA.
The Maple output had to be selected in the Garritan 'input" choice
On a new win 10 computer ( 64 bit) the maple 32 bit could not be used. I have used instead "loop midi" software.
It's still there free on the internet, just search "loop midi".
It has worked very well with HA and can connect, not just one VST to HA, but many if needed.
I have used 3 connections at once without problem.
You just give each new cable a new number or name and assign that name in the input selection of the VST you want to send the midi to.
The cable (s) names appear in the output selection of HA .
I confess that every time I install or change something like this software I Panic, thinking that I am not understanding quite what I am meant to be doing.
But I seem to remember that Loop midi installed simply and was simple to set up.
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A thought.
Perhaps as HA goes to 64 bit the HQ ability to run VST's within HA will expand. It would have several advantages. You could run the Aria player under the HQ without the midi cable.
There is hope for this. I have Kontact Player vst here, one of the players used by the professionals for the highest quality music. By sheer chance on one attempt it actually played for a few minutes in HA as an internal VST. Until it suddenly announced " there is no more memory left".
It does not do that in normal standalone mode, midi driven mode with HA !
And it has not run in HA HQ on any other attempts so there is room for improvement I think.
Muddle
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Re: Liaison Harmony Assistant Garritan PO
« Reply #3 on: Aug 24th, 2018, 7:13am » |
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Many thanks Muddle and Bubu42,
J'ai indiqué à HA l'emplacement de GPO mais sans succès. Merci tout de même
Now to Muddle, as my English is far from perfect, I hope I understand correctly. The last part "A thought" is not very easy for me.
As I work with Windows 10, I've to choose the "loop midi" solution. Reading the explanations of Muffit, I believed that a cable or other similar device or piece of software was needed only to connect if using Kontaktplayer. I'll download and test the loop midi solution and, if necessary, download KontaktPlayer2 too.
Thank you very much for exhaustive explanations.
regards
Pierre
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Re: Liaison Harmony Assistant Garritan PO
« Reply #4 on: Aug 24th, 2018, 3:00pm » |
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Hi everybody, Hello Muddle,
I downloaded MIDILoop and installed it easily in the same directory as HA (correct ?). In HA, I could choose Loopmidi (or Midiloop  ) in the list for each midi output; in Aria I checked MIDILoop in the Preferences window but I still hear the Myriad sound base (I haven't reinstalled Gold yet). I seem remember that one had to connect each MIDI output to a specific instrument staff in HA but I hadn't the opportunity to do so this time. Surely I forgot something but what ?
Thank you for any help.
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Re: Liaison Harmony Assistant Garritan PO
« Reply #5 on: Aug 25th, 2018, 12:41pm » |
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Hi Pierre
If you are still getting HA digital sound instead of ARIA, the most likely cause is the setting on the top left of HA's staff instrument edit menu. That is where you switch from digital sound to midi output.
The midi number you enter here should be the number of the midi port you have set in HA's Hardware configuration menu for the loop midi.
This is the simplest thing to try.
If it now works .. excellent.
I will leave below a long note I wrote earlier about midi to ARIA that might give extra explanation.
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I am assuming you have the later version of GPO that uses the ARIA player as you mention its name.
There are up to 12 "midi output" slots for different output targets in HA's hardware confguration menu, but probably you have used the first.)
Yes?
About midi channel numbers.
When you load an instrument into one of ARIA's 16 instrument "slots" there is a midi channel that can be set for that slot.
For ARIA to play from HA, the midi channel which HA sends must be the same as the midi channel of the slot/instrument you have chosen.
This is done on the " staff instrument edit" menu of the HA staff you are going to send to ARIA.
There are two midi items to be set .
The second slot at the top left of the menu is where you set the midi output port number you have chosen for your "midi loop" port.
i.e. once you have selected MIDI instead of Digital -- and if "loop midi" is set to midi port 1 ... then the number inserted there should be 1.
The actual midi channel number being sent is set on the top right side of the staff instrument menu . This is the number that should be the same as the midi channel of the target instrument in ARIA.
Midi notes on the HA staff should now go to ARIA via the loop midi and play the set instrument.
Further information .. you can have up to 16 different midi channels on separate HA staves, and each one can be sent using the same loop midi port to ARIA . Just make sure that ARIA instrument slots have the correct matching midi channels.
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It might seem complicated at first, but in normal use when you look at your HA score,you simply think " I want this staff to play with ARIA" , so you open the staff instrument menu , select the midi port 1 on the left side slot, and set a midi channel on the right hand menu slot .
Then load the Aria player with the desired instrument and set the slots midi channel number to the same as HA. ( I tend to use default channel 1 on my VST's ... less to change)
Hope that helps ?
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If the sound now works properly there is another thing you could adjust.
That is, set the exact timing of note playback between ARIA and HA digital when your score uses both sounds.
Often an external source can take many milliseconds longer to sound than HA. In the"hardware configuration" menu there is a slider for each midi port to alter the delay between HA digital sound and sound from the ouput port.
I usually adjust the slider by ear, using a two staff score.
One staff plays repeating notes of an HA digital piano, and another identical staff but with midi output, sends to a midi piano or similar external percussive sound. Adjust the slide position until the sounds seem exactly together.
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By the way , I have tested here a simplified VST player that uses ARIA and Garritan processes (its called Sforzando) It works perfectly with HA when driven by midi. Sadly, it produces an error when tried in HA's new HQ VST system , so the Garritan orchestra at this time probably has to be driven by midi output.
Sorry for the long explanation... i find it hard to express these things.
Regards David
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Re: Liaison Harmony Assistant Garritan PO
« Reply #6 on: Sep 13th, 2018, 11:25am » |
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Hi muddle and everybody,
I left for holiday on August 26th, it's the reason why I didn't thank you for muddle's substantific post. I'll restart from scratch and first of all download the Gold Sound Base.
Thanks again and friendly regards
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Re: Liaison Harmony Assistant Garritan PO
« Reply #7 on: Sep 13th, 2018, 8:11pm » |
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Hi muddle,
What I need is probably sort of a « HA to GPO for dummies » !
I hope I followed correctly your guidelines, but...
I checked my settings and correct them. I didn’t switch from digital to MIDI but now it’s done. The MIDI number on the top left on the staff instrument edit menu is the same as the port where the loopMIDI is connected in the hardware configuration of HA.
From your additional note I noticed that I hadn’t set the channel numbers corresponding to the slot numbers in ARIA. Now it’s done. I have 13 staves in my music but HA has only 12 MIDI ports, so I connected Violins 1 and 2 to the same channel but I hope it doesn’t matter.
Nevertheless I get the correct sound of two flutes (both on staff 1) but no sound at all from the 12 remaining staves.
Something is still wrong but what ?
Thank for your help and parience.
Good evening
Pierre
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Re: Liaison Harmony Assistant Garritan PO
« Reply #8 on: Sep 17th, 2018, 10:47pm » |
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Bonsoir,
Maintenant, ça marche !
Le tutoriel de muddle est impec.
Le problème provenait de ce que les volumes par défaut des instruments HA sont tout différents de ceux de GPO, de sorte que mes réglages de la courbe des volumes donnaient des niveaux inaudibles une fois passés par ARIA. Il ne reste donc plus qu'à re-mixer toute l'affaire.
Bonsoir et encore merci.
Cordialement
Pierre
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Re: Liaison Harmony Assistant Garritan PO
« Reply #9 on: Jan 7th, 2021, 10:56pm » |
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Good evening Muddle,
I went back to that old discussion (Liaison Harmony Assistant-Garritan PO) because I can't go ahead with HA_to_Kontakt (got a problem with rules/laws with my cello, probably I'll find a way, some time) and, a bit dicouraged, I tried to have HA working with ARIA (GPO). I had a look to your long post on Aug.25th, 2018 and followed your intructions as well as possible but I got no sound at all. However I wrote finally in that old thread that everything was working perfectly. Why am I not able to do the same now ?
Thank you if you (or somebody else) can answer.
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Pierre
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Re: Liaison Harmony Assistant Garritan PO
« Reply #10 on: Jan 7th, 2021, 10:57pm » |
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Good evening Muddle,
I went back to that old discussion (Liaison Harmony Assistant-Garritan PO) because I can't go ahead with HA_to_Kontakt (got a problem with rules/laws with my cello, probnably I'll fdind a way, some time) and, a bit dicouraged, I tried to have HA working with ARIA (GPO). I had a look to your long post on Aug.25th, 2018 and followed your intructions as well as possible but I got no sound at all. However I wrote finally in that old thread that everything was working perfectly. Why am I not able to do the same now ?
Thank you if you (or somebody else) can answer.
Friendly regards
Pierre
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Re: Liaison Harmony Assistant Garritan PO
« Reply #11 on: Apr 5th, 2022, 11:43am » |
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Hi everybody,
As Muddle wrote (approximately) on this thread some time ago "each time I come back to the question of using HA with VST, I feel that I've forgotten everything !"
Muddle wrote a long post about it and in particular Quote:
There are two midi items to be set .
The second slot at the top left of the menu is where you set the midi output port number you have chosen for your "midi loop" port.
i.e. once you have selected MIDI instead of Digital -- and if "loop midi" is set to midi port 1 ... then the number inserted there should be 1. |
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My problme is that I don't see how "loop midi can be set to midi port 1". In LoopMidi I can only add a port and name it.
"Bref", I'm stuck again with that co-operation HA+Garritan PO ! Can somebody explain again ?
Many thanks in advance.
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Re: Liaison Harmony Assistant Garritan PO
« Reply #12 on: Apr 5th, 2022, 1:56pm » |
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Rebonjour,
Second problème concernant HA cette fois-ci. J'essaie de relier HA à Kontakt chargé avec les samples Amadeus sans passer par MidiLoop, donc dans la fenêtre Editer l'instrument associé je choisis en haut à gauche "Module externe" puis, en cliquant sur "Changer les chemins" j'arrive à une fenêtre où apparaissent 4 modules externes: Kontakt, Reaper, Amadeus et LoopMidi mais quand je les teste j'obtiens pour chacun des 4 le message "Aucun module détecté". Qu'est-ce que j'ai oublié ? Si quelqu'un a une idée, merci d'avance de m'en faire profiter.
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