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Title: Qui utilise Garritan Personal Orchestra avec HA ? Post by gva on Apr 9th, 2020, 11:50am Je pose cette question toute simple pour pouvoir échanger avec quelqu'un qui utilise Garritan GPO5 avec HA. Parce que perso, je n'arrive pas à les faire communiquer. J'ai posté la semaine dernière sur le même sujet mais sans succès. J'ai envoyé un message aux concepteurs sans réponse pour le moment. J'ai bien lu dans la doc que GPO5 ne fait pas partie des VST qui ont été testés avec succès par les concepteurs, mais pas non plus des VST qui ont posé des problèmes. J'en conclus que GPO5 n'aurait pas été testé ? Je n'arrive pas à le croire, tant ce module semble être une référence dans son domaine. En tout cas au moins autant que d'autres modules vst de la liste. Je précise que le module GPO en lui-même me parait hors de soupçon, car je m'en sers sans problème avec d'autres produits (Band-in-a-box par exemple). Merci d'avance. |
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Title: Re: Qui utilise Garritan Personal Orchestra avec HA ? Post by muddle on Apr 9th, 2020, 11:24pm Hi GVA. Because no one else is answering I will say what I know of this. The VSTi capability of HA is limited. The listed VSTi are quite old and basic . However, the 64 bit version works better. One of the modern and more complex VSTi's that I tried with HA is "Kontakt" based .. ( Chris Heins 'solo strings') and was recognised. Another user has tried a "Play" based VSTi with similar results. These did function in the 64 bit version of HA but are limited in operation. In a standard DAW ( sequencer ) a modern VSTi installs with an interactive interface where you can alter settings and operation to a high degree. But HA only allows a selection from existing presets that you have made and saved. And when I, and the other user, tried , we discovered that the substantial memory allocated to the vsti continually increased each time the score was played. This may have been corrected later. It does mean that if want multiple instruments there will a fresh reload for each. (In the standard VSTi of Kontakt you can add more instruments to the one "instance'... up to 16 for each instance) It may be only chance that these particular VSTi sytems were able to be read by HA. But I'm surprised that Garritan is not also able to be read. It does have a list of presets which should be available to HA. Are you using the 64 bit HA? If not, that would be a problem. I remember when I had the option at install, I put all the versions of Kontakt in the install locations, and it was not all of them that were recognized. And for making alterations to the VSTi instruments one would have to use it in what is called "standalone " mode so that its interface is fully operational. ( this is done by using a"midi cable" from HA to the VSTi. and assignng the VSTi to an audio output) Once you had saved the changes you made you could select them from the VSTi loaded within HA. Another point about Garritan. There is a script which made it more usable within HA . However, the only time I tried to make the script convert something it was not working correctly . As far as I could tell. Garritan does not use velocity in instruments in the same way that HA does so some conversion is necessary. Probably the better VST option is the new, very good quality, comprehensive, and relatively cheap , "Amadeus Orchestra" which can be set to operate on key velocity as HA does. It runs on the free 'Kontakt player' which is what I had working to a degree with HA 64 bit. It would be wonderful if the full VSTi capablity was availble within HA but at the begining I heard doubts expressed how it would be very complex to handle every different new VSTi. We will see what happens. ( for myself i use the full functioning " standalone' method all the time. Only possible because I have multiple outputs able to handle HA digital and ASIO at the same time) Muddle |
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Title: Re: Qui utilise Garritan Personal Orchestra avec HA ? Post by gva on Apr 10th, 2020, 3:50pm Salut Muddle, Et un grand merci pour cette longue explication complète et savante. Je ne suis pas à la hauteur pour tout comprendre, mais comprendre que je ne comprends pas, c'est déjà un début de compréhension... J'utilise HA 64 avec Myriad hq que je n'ai achetés que dans l'espoir puéril d'utiliser GPO5. Raté. J'ai bien sûr posé le problème directement aux concepteurs mais sans succès. Je n'insisterai pas, de peur de recevoir une réponse dans le genre élégant comme celle reçue en 2013, quand je demandais l'intégration des VSTi dans HA, avec l'argument (déjà...) que la plupart des éditeurs midi les admettaient. Je ne résiste pas au plaisir mesquin de rappeler ici la réponse d'Olivier : le : 31.07.13 à 13:37:13, Olivier Guillion a écrit: 100 milliards de mouches ne peuvent pas se tromper. Mangez de... . :-/ Je vais donc, à nouveau, laisser tomber. G A G F E D C. |
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Title: Re: Qui utilise Garritan Personal Orchestra avec HA ? Post by Oliveira on Apr 10th, 2020, 6:28pm muddle escribió: Quote:
Hola: Cuando mencionas los Vst de Amadeus: ¿Te refieres a esta librería?. https://sonicscores.com/amadeus |
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Title: Re: Qui utilise Garritan Personal Orchestra avec HA ? Post by pierruel on Nov 24th, 2020, 6:20pm Good evenig, in particular to Muddle, You wrote some time ago: Quote:
I have HQ, Kontakt Player and Amadeus Orchestra on my machine but I'm not able to have them working together. And what do you mean with "working to a degree" ? Can you describe your experience with that configuration ? In advance many thanks. Pierre |
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Title: Re: Qui utilise Garritan Personal Orchestra avec HA ? Post by muddle on Nov 24th, 2020, 10:52pm Hi Pierre, I have worried about your expressions of despair at getting better sound. Your question about "working to a degree" is what I said above. The Kontakt player was recognized in the earlier 64 bit version of HA and could load an instrument from the file selector and it would play it, though quietly. You can fix that by adding an equalizer to the staff and set it to amplify the output. The problem was that each time you restarted the music , the files were reloaded and used even more memory. It was possible to continue if you had a lot of ram in the computer, but that's not very satisfactory. Especially if you wanted to use several Kontakt instruments. My current version of HA does not even recognize Kontakt so I don't know what happens on the very latest versions. Just tried the last beta version and it does not recognize VST of any sort. Not encouraging! I have to rush off to the nearest 'big city 'right now, but will be back to try and get your sound working the way I do it. David |
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Title: Re: Qui utilise Garritan Personal Orchestra avec HA ? Post by pierruel on Nov 25th, 2020, 8:48am Hi David, Very kind of you. In addition I must apologize because you reported already about Kontakt using each time more memory and about nothing happening with the last version; sorry having you repeat the same info. I thought there was something new happened in the meantime. I asked the Guillion bros some weeks ago about for instance Kontakt not recognised by HQ but I got now answer yet. Well my English becomes even more poor this morning ! I'll ask the developers again. Thank you. Have a fine time. Pierre |
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Title: Re: Qui utilise Garritan Personal Orchestra avec HA ? Post by muddle on Nov 29th, 2020, 11:14pm Hi again Pierre. I think the 'standalone' vsti method has been described before on the forum. If you want to try with Amadeus? Or have you already tried and been dissatisfied? Two things are needed . To set the audio output on the Kontakt player. To Link HA to the player with a midi software cable . These are not difficult to set up , but I think what does make people hesitate is having to deal with midi instead of just clicking on an instrument name. HA is brilliant for that I have a few ideas that help me. And it certainly gets easier as you go on. Will explain later. --------------------------------------- First ... setting the Player output. If you have already opened the player it will have asked to set the audio. But just to check. Click on the cogwheel icon in the top panel and open the "Audio" item. This will show the outputs available to select. Its unlikely there's an ASIO option. But if there is, choose it. Normally it's recommended to install an ASIO driver to use, but what I just discovered is that the standard WASAPI driver was upgraded in speed for Win 10 and can drive a full set of Kontakt instruments on my computer. Select that ... it may be the only option presented anyway! (If later you find that is too slow on your particualr computer you could install the free " ASIO4ALL", and then open the player again to select it.) ------------------------------------------------------- At this stage it would be worth checking that the sound output works. The player will need to be fully expanded, if it is not already. Click the icon (4) , then go to icon(3) and tick the items "browser", and" keyboard." Because you installed Amadeus you should now see in the browser Amadeus's folders with instruments within them. (If it isn't there, let me know and I will panic! ). Chose an instrument ... a file with the tag >> . nki e.g. flute 1.nki Press keys on the keyboard ..... silence... sound? Check the volume slider on the right side of the player is not zero. To delete the instrument from the play window.. there's a small X on the right ( 5) Hopefully that worked? ------------------------------------------------------------- The second step .. a 'midi cable ' between HA and Kontakt. There's an excellent free one called " loopmidi" . Once it is installed you can see all the options by a double click on it's icon . You can make a new connection on the 'setup' page. Enter your choice of name for a new midi connection. ( e.g. 'loop Kontakt') Click " +" to add to the list. Done. When you next open HA this name should appear for selection in HA's "hardware configuration" . Use one of the HA "midi out" slots to select that name. Note the slot number you used. That midi port number is used in HA's staff 'edit instrument panel' ( top left) to direct midi to Kontakt. There's a timing adjustment below the slot to match Kontakt playback with HA digital. About 157 ms on my computer. The name you chose for the midi connection will also appear for selection in Kontakt's "midi-in" box. ( next to the audio box used earlier) I have loop midi set to start with the computer and have had trouble free operation for years. ( There's a 'short cut' in the start up folder.. not sure if it was an option at install ... or i did it later.) Good luck with experimenting. ---------------------------- Added note. An advantage of Amadeus is that you can alter the sound to your taste. ( attack etc.) Kontakt can save these changes , either over the original file or a new one with different name. And if you set up a selection of instruments on different midi channels you can save these, with any adjustments, as a "Multi" ( your choice of name ) for reloading for other scores. i.e. you can set up a string quartet with flute or wind ensemble , etc etc. Therefore the Kontakt instruments can always have the same midi channel number. For example, with my ensemble strings or solo strings the violin is always set on channel 1 , a second violin on 2, viola on 3, cello 4, a bass 5. It just seems so much easier when setting your staves in HA. If you know in advance what instrument you will get. David L. |
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Title: Re: Qui utilise Garritan Personal Orchestra avec HA ? Post by pierruel on Nov 30th, 2020, 9:32am Hi David, I'm very grateful for the time you spent in answering dummy's questions like mine. In fact I thought I tried with Amadeus but I was far from knowing how to do >:(. Now I followed your full explanations and was able to achieve the first thing needed: I saw the Amadeus instruments in Kontakt :D and got the sound of a first flute all right when playing on the keyboard. I noticed that I don't have the same version of Kontakt player (mine is 6th) and the image is differnt but it doesn't matter. The second thing to achieve is more problematic: I've LoopMIDI installed and I created a new connection: HAloopKTKT. This name appears as an option on the hardware configuration in HA and I set it to MIDI slot 1. The problem arises when I go to HA. On the edit staff instrument dialog, I select MIDI 1 but when I'm back to the score and try to play it, nothing happens but a crash of HA. In the MIDI setup window I have my LoopMIDI connection AND my audio interface mentioned; should I keep both of them on ? Thank you if you find time to unstuck me ! Friendly regards Pierre |
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Title: Re: Qui utilise Garritan Personal Orchestra avec HA ? Post by pierruel on Nov 30th, 2020, 9:43am Oh sorry David, everything all right, bravo and many thanks. I just forgot to set up the MIDI output on ! Wonderful tutorial. I'll translate it into French and post it among the "files". Have a fine day Pierre |
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Title: Re: Qui utilise Garritan Personal Orchestra avec HA ? Post by pierruel on Nov 30th, 2020, 10:17am Well, there is still a small problem ??? I make my tests with a flute quartet (I mean: fl, violon, alto, cello) and created 4 new different connections in LoopMIDI. I connected MIDI ports 1 to 4 to the related instrument/Staff. I set a different MIDI number to each staff. But now all 4 instruments are playing a flute sound ! :( What did I wrong ? Thank you in advance Pierre |
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Title: Re: Qui utilise Garritan Personal Orchestra avec HA ? Post by muddle on Nov 30th, 2020, 11:21am well done Pierre.! i'm glad. You don't actually need 4 ports. I should have explained. Just one midi port and loop connection can pass up to 16 midi channels. So the first staff is set to midi port 1 ( that's the number of your first connecting cable.) But you set the midi CHANNEL in the box at the top right in HA. The first channel is 1. So enter 1 in the box the next staff will also have 1 set in the midi port box, but in the channel box at top right you set 2 . .( for the second channel.) and the same for the 3rd staff . port 1 in the midi slot , set 3 in the channel box top right. And so on. if you ever need more than 16 channels out , you could do another port connection , but I doubt you would ever need it. I think you could be getting all flute sounds because all the midi CHANNELS were left as default 1 , and the extra ports connection were all going to just the flute on channel 1. So try using just the one midi port 1. And set the 'channels box' as described above. ( You are not the first person to miss seeing the the midi channel box!) see if that helps. I think you must be using correctly the midi CHANNEL number in the Player. It is the' CH' one on the left side--- as in attachment.. the one to go up with each added instrument. Have fun ! David |
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Title: Re: Qui utilise Garritan Personal Orchestra avec HA ? Post by pierruel on Nov 30th, 2020, 3:07pm Hi again David ! Doesnt work ! Me or the softs ! First of all, the names. My HA is in French, I hope it will not disturb. In the dialog "Configuration matérielle" there are 12 items, the names of them is "Sorties"; I suppose that they are the MIDI ports. In the dialog Edit the intrument associated with a staff, we have in the uppe left corner the MIDI port number and in the upper right corner the MIDI channel number. Isn't it ? Now the problem: Since I went back to only one LoopMIDI connection, I put the same connexion's name for the 4 MIDI ports (or "Sorties") in the Configuration matérielle dialog. Then in the staff associated instrument dialog I put the number 1 in the upper left corner and 1 to 4 for each of my 4 instruments in the upper right corner. It seems to me to be correct. Then in Kontak I selected "Sustain" on the flute panel and pizzicato in the 3 strings panels. Once I get the flute in pizzicato like the strings, once the strings legato like the flute ! It seems that the output depends on which option was set up as last. Really annoying. Where is the bug ? Thank you. Pierre . |
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Title: Re: Qui utilise Garritan Personal Orchestra avec HA ? Post by muddle on Nov 30th, 2020, 10:38pm HI Pierre, It seems you have everything set correctly, and my Kontakt doesn't have that fault. Which means Amadeus is doing something very unexpected, and unreasonable . I would say a rather bad bug. Though it seems unlikely they would miss this. So, before I start raving on ,.. when you set the pizzicato for strings, does the flute remain set to sustain if you go back and look at it? Presumably the change occurs then as play starts?. Check that that is what happens. Watch the flute staff on screen as play starts. Next If it does change after play start, stop the playing. Set the flute back to sustain. Set the others to pizz. Then mute the HA flute staff (so doesn't send any midi) . After a few seconds of play un-mute the flute staff and see what happens. does it still change at the start? or when you unmute does it stay a sustain or switch to pizz trying to narrow down the possibilities. We must be missing something. There may be a work around for this..., that is ...you set the instruments as you want, then save it all as a "Multi". ( that's an option in the file save list) When you load that file back in to the player it won't need any settings changed. and may play as desired ? I still want to know what's causing the problem. tempted to buy the thing so i can test it out myself... There is another work around option which is almost certain to work, but involves HA sending 'keyswitch' notes. And it shouldn't be necesary. Want to avoid that. Try the above first David. |
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Title: Re: Qui utilise Garritan Personal Orchestra avec HA ? Post by bubu42 on Nov 30th, 2020, 11:06pm Muddle and Pierruel : I keep reading this thrilling thread. I've seen Pierruel is willing to translate all that into French. May I suggest that once the tutorial is complete you upload it 'French and English) into the Experience Sharing page of Myriad's website (here (https://www.myriad-online.com/en/resources/sharedxp.htm)) I'm pretty sure a number of people would be delighted. |
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Title: Re: Qui utilise Garritan Personal Orchestra avec HA ? Post by muddle on Dec 1st, 2020, 1:05am Hah! Bubu , certainly , if we ever get it working as it should David |
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Title: Re: Qui utilise Garritan Personal Orchestra avec HA ? Post by pierruel on Dec 1st, 2020, 10:18pm Hi Muddle and Bubu, I agree fully with the last observation of Muddle ! I did some attempts but didn't follow accurately your procedure, Muddle, sorry. I hadn't saved anything from my former tests and begun everything from scratch. I noticed that the "Configuration matérielle" uses the name "Sortie MIDI" what I understood as "Ports" MIDI, but it is probably wrong. Nevertheless I used Sorties # 1 to 4 to connect my 4 midiloops. Then in the "Instrument associé à la portée" I made following connexions: flute: Port 1, channel 1 violin: POrt 2, channel 1 viola: Port 3, channel 1 cello: Port 4, channel 1 In Kontakt, in the MIDI panel, I connected midiloop_flute to Port A 1 midiloop_violin to Port B 1 midiloop viola to Port C 1 midiloop cello to Port D 1 And I selected the same combinations of letters and numbers on each instrument window. Result when playing the flute quartet in HA: First run: flute all right, strings pizzicato except certain bars where I used the HA laws in order to switch to pizz. I removed the corresponding color to have all notes in black and the violin and viola were all right, except that they have sections to be played arco and of course they continued pizz. I have to learn how to introduce Program Changes. The cello played a special part: sections were all right, other were mute except some sounds of flute sustain; other were completely mute. I haven't any explanation. I suppose that I have to take everythign from the beginning connecting the 4 insrtuments to the same Port, Sortie 1 for instance, and then the flute to channel 1, violin, 2, aso. It's too late to begin now. You'll get another report tomorrow. Thank you for your suggestions, I'l try and follow them more accurately. Sleep well Pierre |
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Title: Re: Qui utilise Garritan Personal Orchestra avec HA ? Post by muddle on Dec 1st, 2020, 11:07pm Hi Pierre , A quick note that one way to add the' key switches' to HA is add a grace note to the first note .. or to a note where you want to change. When you edit the note properties the grace note menu lets you specify a note ( G0 or such) and use 'add 'to put it in the list above. The velocity does not matter probably set to just 1. But you have to use the offset box to set the switch ahead of the audible note. About - 24 I think I used. Gives time for the switch to occur before the note plays. experiment with? david. |
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Title: Re: Qui utilise Garritan Personal Orchestra avec HA ? Post by pierruel on Dec 2nd, 2020, 4:51pm Hi Muddle, I'm going on with the experiments. 1. Selecting the same unique Sortie MIDI (= MIDI Port) for the 4 instruments and then a different channel for each one is ok. It works perfectly. (The problems I had before were caused by the fact that the cello staff resulted from a "merge" of 2 staffs). 2. For the flute, choosing the menu Edit>Actions>Apply phrasing with 100 for the notes under one slur and 20 for the ones outside of the slur doesn't work: a half-note (blanche, isn't it ?) outside a slur sounds like a quarter or less. 3. As far as I applied it correctly, the grace notes don't introduce a change in the playing manner (pizz to sustain for instance). The method seams easy: add a grace note before the first note to be played the new manner and edit it, changing the note to a C0 for instance. Gosh Well !! I forgot the Velocity and Duration. I'll try again. But we go forwards ! ;D Thank you for advices Friendly Pierre |
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Title: Re: Qui utilise Garritan Personal Orchestra avec HA ? Post by pierruel on Dec 2nd, 2020, 6:21pm Hi again, I didn't succeed with the keyswitches. Grace notes doesn't operate and I tried another solution when the first note to be played with the new articulation stays after a pause; I replaced that pause with a normal note outside of the ambitus of the instrument (corresponding with the keyswitch notes given by Kontakt) but it didn't work either. I don't see what else I should try. Thank you for any help. Pierre |
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Title: Re: Qui utilise Garritan Personal Orchestra avec HA ? Post by muddle on Dec 3rd, 2020, 3:54am Pierre, I am impressed how you have sorted it all out yourself . I did a re-test of key switches as described before and they are definitely working on my player. A negative delay of about -11 seems okay. Probably even less would work I doubt it makes a difference but give it good velocity.. its going to be silent in Amadeus anyway. I'm not sure what actual note HA sends when you specify say, note D1. HA has midi note names with C4 as middle C . I think I read somewhere that Amadeus has C3 as middle C. If so, this could be a reason for lack of response to HA key-switch notes. You can test this. Load a staff with some music into HA and set it to Amadeus . Select one note and open the edit for it. The idea is to alter the note value in the edit box and press "try" while watching the Amadeus keyboard react. Step down the notes until you reach the coloured key-switches. They should lock down when they are reached Note the value of the note HA sent for that key and the others remaining I'm interested to know if they are the same as the Amadeus official note name/numbers for the key-switch.. If they are different from the official ones ... you will have to use HA's instead . They would probably be the same but an octave higher. D1 instead of D0. If the notes are the same in HA and Amadeus you will now have proved at least, that the grace notes SHOULD be working. But it would have to be something else stopping them. David. |
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Title: Re: Qui utilise Garritan Personal Orchestra avec HA ? Post by muddle on Dec 3rd, 2020, 4:17am The slur yes, there is problem with the difference in VST response to a frequency bend. My Kontakt strings will bend up to an octave with the frequency curve. But not with HA's' standard bend. My kontakt strings have an adjustment of bend response but even at max it is about half HA. I was going to adjust and improve the the glissando script to do the same thing. But alas I discover, sometime in the previous HA versions the change you put into the frequency curve has dislocated its audible effect .. to about one note before. Auugh! no use at all. I guess it needs a bug report Well , such is life . The separate note slur can sound reasonable? sorry for that info. David. |
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Title: Re: Qui utilise Garritan Personal Orchestra avec HA ? Post by pierruel on Dec 3rd, 2020, 1:20pm Hi Muddle, I see that you are a "night bird" (or do you live in America ?). Ive made one test at a time: I copied the violin part of my flute quartet on a separate staff as a test-staff, added a grace note to the first note just one note lower the main note and clicked on "essayer" in the edit window. I managed to have Amadeus/Kontakt keyboard visible (not so easy) and was able to see the reaction of it. When the grace note was in the ambitus of the violin, I heard it cleary et saw the corresponding key pressed down. I saw it all the same with grace notes outside the violin's ambitus but with no sound. When I went down to the keyswitches notes on the keyboard, the program changes happened marvelously but with an important detail: On Kontakt display with Amadeus loaded, the default keyswitches are sustain C0, staccato C#0,... pizz F0 aso but in fact the changes happened for sustain C1, staccato C#1, aso. (and nothing happened with a zero instead of a 1) In Amadeus display you can change that setup replacing all 0 figures through 1 figures (and 7 and -1 figures, but no other numbers). It fits with your mention of Amadeus using a different note as central C, I believe. I think it's advisable to set Amadeus figures to 1 in order to fit the standard position of central C, isn't it ? For the time beeing, that's all folks ! I'll continue doing the same test on the complete strings parts of the quartett and will be back. Have a fine day. Pierre |
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Title: Re: Qui utilise Garritan Personal Orchestra avec HA ? Post by muddle on Dec 3rd, 2020, 7:02pm Thanks for info Pierre. I'm about as far as possible from the wonders of European culture in New Zealand. Still, in these days of google you can walk the streets from here. David |
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Title: Re: Qui utilise Garritan Personal Orchestra avec HA ? Post by pierruel on Dec 3rd, 2020, 10:27pm Hello everybody, As a perfect Newbie on MIDI issues, I ask here a very basic double question. In the case of a multiple articulation change, let's say if a violin has to play alternately legato, pizzicato, and again legato, aso, do I need to cancel the first keyswitch (in my example the one introducing the legato) before setting the pizzicato keyswitch or not ? Idem when changing later from the pizzicato to the legato ? The second part of the question is: if a "cancel" instruction is necessary, which is its keyswitch expression ? I browsed a lot about both issues but found nothing. I supposed there was somewhere a "bible" of MIDI instructions like program changes but I didn't find anything lake that. Very thankful in advance for any advice. regards Pierre |
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Title: Re: Qui utilise Garritan Personal Orchestra avec HA ? Post by pierruel on Dec 3rd, 2020, 10:51pm Bonsoir, Essayons de généraliser. Il s'agit ci-dessus de transmettre à un "player" (Kontakt Player) des modes de jeu HA sous forme de "signaux" MIDI. Bien. Première question: parmi tous les paramétrages qui permettent d'améliorer la qualité de l'interprétation dans HA, tous produisent-ils des "signaux" MIDI ? Je pense aux courbes de paramètres associés à la portée, aux "effets" accessibles en double-cliquant sur une note, aux réglages possibles grâce aux icônes de modification de la vélocité et de l'appui, aux indications de dynamiques et de nuances via l'outil nuances de la palette maître, liste non exhaustive. Seconde question: lesquels de ces messages ou signaux sont-ils correctement interprétés par les "players" à disposition: Kontakt, Reaper, Aria (GPO), etc. etc. Pour le moment, sous le titre "Qui utilise GPO avec HA j'essaie avec l'aide de Muddle de voir ce qu'il en est avec la banque Amadeus Symphony Orchestra, avec l'espoir que quelques principes seront applicables à d'autres banques de sons (j'ai celle de GPO pour commencer). Tout en gardant comme base Harmony Assistant. Si certain.e.s d'entre vous - sont en mesure d'enrichir l'information de base (première question) - ont fait des expériences positives ou au moins instructives dans ce domaine, je serai ravi d'en prendre connaissance. Merci d'avance Cordialement Pierre |
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Title: Re: Qui utilise Garritan Personal Orchestra avec HA ? Post by bubu42 on Dec 3rd, 2020, 11:21pm Je me souviens des expériences menées par J.P. Verpeaux pour connecter un orgue virtuel à HA. Dans le processus, il y avait des commandes MDI utilisant les Program Changes pour modifier la registration. J'avais utilisé certains de ses scripts, et ils doivent contenir certains éléments de réponse. Maintenant, pour savoir ce qui est envoyé réellement par HA sur les sorties MIDI, il faudrait pouvoir avoir un logiciel d'analyse. En faisant des recherches, j'ai trouvé un freeware sous Windows. Je vais essayer de l'installer sur mon système et voir ce qu'on peut en faire... A suivre. P.S. Je suis ce fil avec le même intérêt que les feuilletons dans les journaux de mon enfance ! Tous les jours, il y a du nouveau. Bravo ! |
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Title: Re: Qui utilise Garritan Personal Orchestra avec HA ? Post by pierruel on Dec 3rd, 2020, 11:41pm Ben oui, Bubu, j'ai toujours dit: place aux jeunes: j'ai 86 balais. Cordialement Pierre P.S. Merci pour la piste Verpeaux. On verra demain. |
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Title: Re: Qui utilise Garritan Personal Orchestra avec HA ? Post by muddle on Dec 4th, 2020, 5:12am Hi Pierre, When you set a new keyswitch it necessarily stops the previous one . If you set a trill, at the end of it, you set the next note back to sustain. If you have a string of staccato notes you set back to sustain at the end of them.Or to whatever articulation you want next, Some libraries, like my solo strings, offer other keyswitch options. 1. the standard one ...switch on till the end ( or until you send another key switch.) 2 switch just for the one note, then go back to the one used before 3. switch while the key is held down ... i.e extend it's pressure time. Only then it will go back to what was set before. But I just use it in the first way. As I think most do ========== HA's midi output sends volume CC which Kontakt does respond to . . And notes pitch up and down with frequency curve changes. But it does not respond to treble/ bass etc. Items like trills can be sent and will play. Avoids using the keyswitch method. And gives more flexibility of speed etc, If you use a modulation wheel most libraries will use that to set the volume and timbre of the instrument. Amadeus can be set to use that method, and HA can send midi CC modulation on a curve to control volume/timbre but you have to hand enter the data in the curve. There is a script somewhere on the forum to enter a curve in live play...with an external keyboard modwheel if you wanted to try. hmm. It should be possible for an expert to make a script that has a graphic "wheel" or perhaps better a simple vertical slider to add the CC modulation to a curve as it plays. ------------------------------------------------- I don't know whether GPO ( Aria) is responsive to sound volumes the way Amadeus is. The Amadeus manual has much information about adjusting instruments and effects and so forth. But at this point Pierre is the one who has Amadeus and GPO and can explore them both in full. David. |
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Title: Re: Qui utilise Garritan Personal Orchestra avec HA ? Post by pierruel on Dec 4th, 2020, 5:59pm Dear David, Thank you for your help because after having put my hands in the engine following your messages, I begin to undestand something from the user's manuals, ASO or Kontakt ! Before that many words didn't point to any fact, idea or sensation ! But I spent a heap of time looking to ASO users manual and its translation (with the help of Google who isn't obviously a fan of MAO !) and did not much about my tests. Just one thing for the time beeing: You wrote Quote:
With my system it doesn't work like that and I didn't find out the reason why. Next step: I shall register on ASO forum and ask exprimented users for information. From now I'll be away from my machine and will recover it next Monday. Have a fin week end. Friendly regards Pierre |
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Title: Re: Qui utilise Garritan Personal Orchestra avec HA ? Post by pierruel on Dec 7th, 2020, 1:24pm Hi David, How are you in this new week ? Fine I'm hoping. About keyswitches not working, I've made some tests with HA alone and found out that there is a misfunction (bug ?). When I add a new articulation through a law, it deletes one or several existing laws. I ask the question on tghe HA main forum and I'm waiting for an answer. I'll inform you. Thanks for you attention. Have a fine day. Friendly regards Pierre |
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Title: Re: Qui utilise Garritan Personal Orchestra avec HA ? Post by bubu42 on Dec 7th, 2020, 3:45pm De mon côté j'ai pu installer un programme qui analyse les messages MIDI en sortie de HA, via MidiYoke. Pour le moment, je regarde le nombreux messages "system" et "control" à partir d'une partition créée pour les tests. Curieusement, j'y trouve des "pitch bends" qui ne sont absolument pas écrits. Pour ce qui est des lois, j'ai l'impression qu'il y a un peu de flottement, mais c'est sans doute parce que je manque de pratique dans ce domaine. |
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Title: Re: Qui utilise Garritan Personal Orchestra avec HA ? Post by pierruel on Dec 7th, 2020, 4:08pm Bonjour Bubu42 toujours fidèle, Merci d'apporter votre contribution au démêlage de cette "perruque", comme disent les pêcheurs. Mon latin était déjà bien vieux, il ne m'en restera bientôt plus rien :D Cordialement Pierre |
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Title: Re: Qui utilise Garritan Personal Orchestra avec HA ? Post by pierruel on Dec 7th, 2020, 9:34pm Hi Bubu42 and Muddle, I was testing the action of the rules inside HA. I did the same test again with an alternance of regular (legato), staccato and pizzicato articulations. I 've made sure to register my .myr file after each adjunction of a rule but it didn't change anything: each time I add a new articulation's rule an other one disappears. Who's going to explain ? Have a fine evening. Friendly regards Pierre |
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Title: Re: Qui utilise Garritan Personal Orchestra avec HA ? Post by muddle on Dec 8th, 2020, 10:47pm Hi Pierre. Back again. You figured it out ! ... that you can do the articulations on separate staves. It will play OK, I guess. About the rules problem ...not a clue . Info on rules clearly states any number of rules can be applied. You could use the staves un-merged if necessary, but I assume you are using for each instrument staves with identical notes? You would need to do a lot of selecting and deleting of non relevant notes. Actually, it might be better to just set the note velocity to zero as things can move around when you delete. You could continue to use Amadeus that way but you will quickly run out channels /staffs in complex music. A second midi port added and another "instance" of Amadeus would be needed ..possibly more. ----------------------------- I'm guessing you are using separate staves because the keyswitches seem to lock ON preventing further change. Yes? I still can't quite believe that this is the way they are meant to behave. Could you do me a favour? Set a staff of music playing though the player. Press the keyswitches on the player keyboard as it plays. Did the sound change.. ? If so, it really should be possible to change the articulations from the HA staff. If it doesn't change .. hmmm. Please tell me. If it does, then it would be just a matter of getting HA to send correctly . HA can do this for sure. I spent a few hours using odd key switches all over the place, and with old and new files. All successful. David. |
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Title: Re: Qui utilise Garritan Personal Orchestra avec HA ? Post by pierruel on Dec 8th, 2020, 11:36pm Hi David, thank you for your patience. You wrote Quote:
Not yet. I didn't take the best way. Quote:
About the rules, the documentation speaks about an "indefinite number of rules" but it doesn't work. Quote:
I kept the staves unmerged and folllow the way of selecting and deleting sections Quote:
A lot of a job, indeed. I didn't think of reducing Velocities to zero. Quote:
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Your guess is correct. And I'm sure the rules should make better. Quote:
Well, who is going to do a favour ? If it works, I'll be the winner, isn't it ? But be patient. I had to swallow a heap of cortisone and had to stop yesterday; now I'm as dynamic as a stranded whale. Good night (or perhaps is it noon for you) Friendly regards Pierre |
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Title: Re: Qui utilise Garritan Personal Orchestra avec HA ? Post by pierruel on Dec 8th, 2020, 11:54pm Hi again, I reopened an eye because I thought about the colleague who worked on Peter and the Wolf. Stephane I think. Apparently he didn't bore himself with keyswitches and obtained a good result. Why should we ? What do you think about it ? Thank you. BYe P. |
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Title: Re: Qui utilise Garritan Personal Orchestra avec HA ? Post by pierruel on Dec 9th, 2020, 12:59pm Hello ! A propos des lois qui disparaissent (il y a un autre fil sur ce sujet dans le forum HA), hier j'ai appelé à l'aide Didier Guillon qui a réagi dès ce matin. Je viens de lui transmettre toute sorte d'informations complémentaires et vous tiendrai au courant de sa réponse. En attendant belle journée, prenez soin de vous et à bientôt. Cordialement Pierre |
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Title: Re: Qui utilise Garritan Personal Orchestra avec HA ? Post by pierruel on Jan 5th, 2021, 9:39pm Bonsoir Muddle, bonsoir à tous, Après quelques aventures j'ai résumé mes échanges avec D. Guiillion dans un mémo que j'annexe à ce post (sans l'avoir soumis à Didier). J'espère qu'il vous paraîtra clair. Best regards Pierre |
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Title: Re: Qui utilise Garritan Personal Orchestra avec HA ? Post by pierruel on Jan 7th, 2021, 10:46am Bonjour, Après avoir consulté Didier Guillion, j'ai ajouté quelques lignes à mon mémo et le joins à ce post avec mes excuses pour ce va-et-vient que j'aurais pu éviter ! Bonne journée Pierre |
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